Drugs versus Bombers: who committed the worse crime? 433



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“I don’t believe it is fair the Bali Boys got shot when the Bali bombers were released. However, if you are not an international drug lord then your chances of being executed swing a lot more in your favour…”

This was a sentiment on my Facebook wall this morning; a fair sentiment that many Australians might attest to. And when we look below the surface of the needless deaths of our two comrades Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, the incredible miscorrelation of punishment for those who we would consider critical facilitators and enablers of the Bali Bombings (that killed 202 people) versus our own drug traffickers seems clear. Indonesia has allowed sentence reduction and even released people that we would have considered much greater contributors to the death and destruction of people in and out of Indonesia.

Chan and Sukumaran have never denied their wrongdoing. In fact, even our own Prime Minister has said that they have been fully rehabilitated by the prison system they have lived in for 10 years. Now they are gone and the fight is over. But the raw reality of the case is not. These people were allowed to die when people who could be seen as the ringleaders of terrorism, that are potentially funded by these drug trafficking activities worldwide, have been released and charges dropped.

“They were examples of the hope and transformation that can come about through reflection, rehabilitation and remorse. Their deaths at this time are senseless,” said Julie Bishop this morning.

88 Australians died in Bali in 2002. Three Indonesians were put to their death in 2008 for their involvement in the bombing at the Sari nightclub. Imam Samudra, Amrozi Nurhasyim and Huda bin Abdul Haq were executed by firing squad – the Australian Government did not object.

But there were others involved, who are considered to be kingpins in the Bali Bombings who have not seen the punishment that many see as crucial, fulfilled.

The leader of Jemaah Islamiah, the group who took responsibility for the Bombings, Abu Bakar Bashir, was declared guilty of conspiracy over the 2002 bombings. He was sentenced to 30 months in prison, but was later acquitted on appeal and released in 2006, rejoining his terrorist ways. The international outrage at Indonesia’s failure to punish this ringleader was deplorable. He is currently serving 15 years in prison after being convicted in 2011 of supporting a jihadi training camp.

Another player in the bombing, Umar Patek, named “The Demolition Man” for whom the US offered a $1M reward for the capture of, was caught in Pakistan in 2011. When captured and prosecuted they did not ask for the death penalty and he was found guilty of murder and bomb-making in 2012, being sentenced to 20 years in prison in Indonesia. Patek had confessed to playing a key role in the 2002 Bali bombings as well as a series of bombings on Christmas Eve in 2000.

And two others walked free when anti-terror laws were contested and they were unable to be held after it was declared that anti-terrorism laws brought in after the bombing could not be applied retrospectively.

Idris admitted involvement, admitting he detonating a bomb, was allowed to walk away from charges, as was Masykur Abdul Kadir, sentenced to 15 years who had his sentence overturned.

It appears the penalty for being below the food chain of the actual terrorists, organising the carriage of the drugs that fund their operations is the crime being targeted by Indonesia, not the criminals at the top who cause the drug rings to operate in the first place.

Share your thoughts today. Who performed a worse crime: the drug traffickers or the terrorism leaders they were likely funding?

Rebecca Wilson

Rebecca Wilson is the founder and publisher of Starts at Sixty. The daughter of two baby boomers, she has built the online community for over 60s by listening carefully to the issues and seeking out answers, insights and information for over 60s throughout Australia. Rebecca is an experienced marketer, a trained journalist and has a degree in politics. A mother of 3, she passionately facilitates and leads our over 60s community, bringing the community opinions, needs and interests to the fore and making Starts at Sixty a fun place to be.

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      • Drug addicts that killed THEMSELVES by overdose had a choice to use drugs or not, the Bali bombing victims did not have a choice. Drug dealers who can’t afford to bribe themselves out of a death sentence are executed, that’s Indonesian corrupt justice system. The terrorists of the Bali bombing who murdered over 96 innocent tourists are walking the streets of Indonesia today, laughing and enjoying their life because the Indonesian government consider that killing foreign tourists is a joy for them. They love killing foreigners,especially Australians, they thrive on it, it gives them glory and great satisfaction and what do Australians do? They support Indonesia’s economy with tourism , trade , foreign aid and what else? Military training?. ..We give military training to Indonesia so they can kill Australians?…How insane are our politicians?..what a betrayal !

      • Where did you get that info 15yrs of drug peddling some of the boys would have only been two if that was true. This sort of wild speculation is what flames the fires of a hysterical society. You need to get evidence based information before you shoot your mouth.

    • And I feel for the families of those involved in drugs who have watched their childrens lives destroyed. Without drug mules their lives would have been safer.

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      • Safer? Alcohol is the biggest problem across Australia with violence and deaths on the road with our children today I wouldn’t call that safer, we have all did risky behaviours in our teenage years.

    • Valerie Murray no one put a gun to these peoples heads and made them buy drugs..people buy them of their own free will, yes drug dealing is wrong but so is drug taking and how many people do those who take drugs infect? as they pass them out to their friends

    • Thats for sure what is wrong with people today they payed 10 years for their crime they shouldnt have had to pay with their lives will never go to indonesia ever filthery murderes

    • Usually the drug dealers at this level started out as young drug users who to feed there habit were then coerced into being drug mules and this is the real evil today because the drug lords who orchestrated all of this will already have another young pack of ‘mules’ running drugs for them. That’s how this whole vicious circle keeps going and thriving.

    • Yes so sad to see so many Australians being so heartless showing no compassion at all what are we becoming

  2. How many people have died from illegal drugs in the past 25 or so years? The drug traffickers know that their drugs kill people and they profit from their insidious trade. Get rid of drug dealers.

  3. Not for us to judge, however point being those boys had been totally rehabilitated, so actually the Government are the barbarians and murderers in this case. I for one will never set foot in their unethical evil country

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    • How do we know they have been rehabilitated – because they said so – I reckon it was a sham in an attempt to garner favour, either way it seems it didn’t work too well.

    • If you have never been to Bali ,how can you comment on it, Balinese just happen to live on an Island in Indonesia , they are Hindu , I am sick of hearing these stupid comments about Bali , that will have little affect on JAVA , as Bali is now autonomous , I have been to Indonesia once on the ferry, for the day, but have been to Bali more than 30 times ,

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      • But Balinese live under the Indonesian corrupt and immoral justice system. They could declare independence from Indonesia if they had the guts to form a solidarity to oppose the murder loving Indonesian hyenas.

    • If Indonesia is an evil country then what are we, protecting criminals that represent us as Australians when they break “their laws”, I only wish we were as strong as them in getting rid of that type of shit. Don’t tell me I know nothing as my whole family has been torn apart by the shit that those two pieces of garbage deal in. good riddance, oh and when you work with people who have been damaged by drugs then you will really understand until then, you know nothing. lol 🙂 happy days.

    • Noel Hawes Carol Boyd- their Guards at the jail said so, another prisoner offered to take their place,they’d helped the other prisoners so much.

    • I never have and i never would this is nothing but barbaric and murder in the first degree i dont know how the firing squad cope after doing this must be made of steel . The President is sadistic .

    • Wonder what one’s mind set would be if their child died in a alley with a heroin needle in their arm. doubt you would forgive the dealer.

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      • A close friend and public figure did lose a child to a drug overdose and he had enormous compassion for theses boys. I know a lot of pple in an organisation called f.d.s that didn’t agree with their execution and they also had a child or partner mother father doctor nurse pilot and the list goes on .

    • Love Bali but hated Jakarta. The people there are quite nasty to foreigners. Been to Bali many times where you are made welcome and treated like family. Boycott Jakarta they are the ones who authorised the execution.

    • God willing Jphn I would. You see being unforgiving just destroys you not anybody else, hanging onto hate can kill you, and I am afraid it’s still a matter of choice on most cases, saying NO is a start

    • Why do ppl persist in calling them “boys” ? They were men when they were caught and men when they were executed. If they were charged with rape you would have called them men and you know it. As gar as rehabilitation goes , they were never put in jail for rehabilitation, they were put in jail awaiting execution, it was the legal appeals that kept them alive in jail for ten years..a month from now no one will remember their names.

    • I for one will never forget their names and what has happened to them. Every one makes mistakes. Sure what they did was wrong but they didnt force people to take the drugs. The people that take the drugs say I want to try this ,do this….Its up to every single person to say no. You caint just blame the drug dealers. Part of being human is making mistakes and learning from them. These men made a big mistake had learnt by them and able to help so many people while in jail. This was wrong. The people over there are corrupt we will never go back. They will not get another penny from us.Our son went over walking back to his room one night got hit from behind over the head and his wallet and money ect taken. The people living there approach you to buy drugs why dont they deal with thier own people the same way.

    • John Barnes…no one puts the needle into that persons arm other than themselves..no one other than themselves put drugs in their own mouth.or no one other than themselves smoke the drugs…..supply and demand…
      No one can blame anyone ,but the person who is weak enough to take those drugs…there is a word …NO NO NO…sorry but if none took the drugs there would be no drug couriers .no drugs and no problems..
      Drug users are their own worst enemy..

    • I have never had the desire to go there anyway and this barbaric injustice has made it a certainty… the bombers were far worse. they thought it was funny and showed no remorse and many are now free… how disgusting…

    • Let us not forget those who can manipulate are young people?!?!?!? We can all be gullible…?!?!? Young & old. Just saying?!?!

    • Oh I so agree with you Iris it’s okay to bomb people and serve no prison time but it’s okay to kill young rehabited men that have done so much good by cleaning up a drug infested rat infested cruel prison in Bali . We should cut all ties with these idiots .

    • People keep saying ” no one forces the individual to take drugs. It is their choice”. I have never taken drugs of addiction. But in that statement the word “addiction” is the word many do not understand. They are called drugs of addiction because people have no control once they become addicted to a drug. And without drug pushers/dealers it would be harder for people that are addicted to come under the drug’s curse.

  4. murduring these 2 men is not going to stop the trafficers.

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    • But there will be two less creating two new jobs for some one , so the circus moves on . I think not taking illicit drugs should be taught in kindergartens . The younger we educate our children the sooner we will break the cycle ..

    • Hanging murderers hasn’t stopped murder either but you don’t have a problem with that.

    • Put them out working on the chain gang with bread and water for thier supper Now that is what I believe in

  5. We have a Choice Not To Take Drugs We Never Had Choice On Terrorism That Killed they weren’t Shot Were They

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    • You’re right. Those who are bombed or killed by terrorists are innocents who have no choice. The ones who choose drugs do have a choice although it is still unfortunate for the addicts. I believe if the death penalty were to be enacted it should be for terrrorist activities before any other.

  6. Goes without saying, terrorists are out there ti kill because they love killing. Drug runners are ignorant and greedy.

  7. As no compassion was shown our government should show no compassion to them, stop giving money,more deserving countries out there

  8. They Indonesians Dug there Heels in and Cold Bloodied Shot Two Reformed Men they Must Get Retribution Boycott Them

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    • There were 8 young men murdered, not just 2. All avenues point to them being reformed! After 10 years they had a lot of time to soul search! It is not up to you Carol or anyone else, to judge them. It is now between each man and his maker. If they were generally sorry for what they did, and asked forgiveness, that is the end of it really!

    • They knew the penalty for what they did but still chose to do what they did. Every choice we make has a consequence. It’s called karma.

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