Australia, are we comfortable with this policy?

Snap rallies will be held across the nation today in an effort to prevent the Australian government from sending asylum
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Snap rallies will be held across the nation today in an effort to prevent the Australian government from sending asylum seekers back to offshore detention centres following yesterday’s High Court ruling that backed the policy of offshore processing.

Human Rights and advocacy groups have been circulating pictures of the babies among the group of 160 people who will now most likely be send back to Nauru. Among the group are 54 children and 37 babies.

Most Australians would agree that detention is no place for babies or children, however the circumstances make the situation less black-and-white.

Fewer boats that ever before now set out for Australia at the behest of people smugglers, that much we know.

But on the international stage, Australia has been criticised for our approach. The recent Human Rights Watch’s World Report 2016 report described our “abusive approach to asylum seekers”.

Is it abuse? Or is it border protection?

On last night’s 7.30 on the ABC, a woman described being on Nauru as being “like waiting for dying”.

She admitted she and her husband arrived illegally on a boat, but, “We didn’t know the law has changed in between.”

Who are the criminals in this situation? The people smugglers or the people who get on the boats?

In the past, the Prime Minister has declared he is uncomfortable  with Australia’s refugee policies, nonetheless, Malcolm Turnbull has stuck with the tough line of his predecessors.

“Nobody should ever doubt the resolve of this Government to keep our borders secure, to prevent the people smuggling racket, to break their business model and keep lives safe, to prevent drownings at sea and to protect vulnerable people,” he told Parliament.

We want to know today: how do you feel about Australia’s off-shore detention centres and processing of asylum seekers. Specifically, do you think children should be interned?

 

  1. Disgraceful !!! the boats have now stopped, how much longer is the government going to lock these unfortunate people up , indefinately?? These children need a chance at a better life just like my children, who were lucky enough to be born in Australia.

  2. Disgraceful !!! the boats have now stopped, how much longer is the government going to lock these unfortunate people up , indefinately?? These children need a chance at a better life just like my children, who were lucky enough to be born in Australia.

  3. No I am not in any way. But plenty of people are as is evidenced by posts on social media. I despair.

  4. No I am not in any way. But plenty of people are as is evidenced by posts on social media. I despair.

  5. I do think that the status of children born in Australia is very complex … if their parents have fled one assumes that the birth of the children is not registered in the parents homeland, are the births registered here I wonder? Surely these children are entitled to Australian passports ….or are they to be stateless?

    • Who cares? They are innocent human beings as most likely all their parents who don’t deserve a life in a concentration camp.

    • I agree Paula, no child deserves life in a concentration camp…. but the citizenship status of the children born here on mainland Australia is a question with life long consequences, and it does need to be asked, and answered. If we are rendering these children stateless ( not discounting the other horror we subject them to) we are creating a lifelong problem for them.

  6. I do think that the status of children born in Australia is very complex … if their parents have fled one assumes that the birth of the children is not registered in the parents homeland, are the births registered here I wonder? Surely these children are entitled to Australian passports ….or are they to be stateless?

    • Who cares? They are innocent human beings as most likely all their parents who don’t deserve a life in a concentration camp.

    • I agree Paula, no child deserves life in a concentration camp…. but the citizenship status of the children born here on mainland Australia is a question with life long consequences, and it does need to be asked, and answered. If we are rendering these children stateless ( not discounting the other horror we subject them to) we are creating a lifelong problem for them.

    • Paula de Almeida there are no ‘concentration’ camps here or on Naru only detention centres! Facts are important if you want to be taken seriously. Keep them there..Australia is full!!

    • Full Victor? We have 25 million in a country the size of America, where there is over 300 million. We’re a long way from full

      • We might be a big country with a small population but most of Australia except for the coastal areas is desert. These people don’t want to live in rural areas. They congregate with their own in the cities and they have few skills to offer in order to provide themselves with a decent lifestyle. They expect our ever dwindling working taxpayers to provide social security benefits to them as well as tax payer funded education and medical care. By the way, who is paying the legal fees for all these High Court challenges and Lawyers? It is practically impossible for any of us to access Legal Aid.

  7. If these children are so badly treated put them in foster care as we would with our own I have no problem looking after the kids but with them comes mum dads nan pop auntie uncle brother sister all being housed at our expense

      • hella langer  

        You are using the term “concentration camp” rather lightly, aren’t you? Do you even know what a real concentration camps are/were? Go and read some books and view some historical footage and then see how much the definition matches the accommodation provided for illegal immigrants. I dare say the B’nai Brith would not be happy with your claim. It makes a mockery of what the inmates of genuine concentration camps suffered.

    • It would actually be considerably cheaper to house them in Australia than pay the billions to run off shore detention centres.

    • Barbara Easthope it’s not always about money it can be about the safety of our country !!!!! That must come first!!!!

      • Lou  

        Who will grow up to be adults!!! Send them back.

    • Margaret Donohue how does letting some families into Australia damage our security. We are more likely to make enemies by treating others in this manner. I can’t imagine family or friends of these incarcerated people look upon us kindly.

  8. If these children are so badly treated put them in foster care as we would with our own I have no problem looking after the kids but with them comes mum dads nan pop auntie uncle brother sister all being housed at our expense

    • It would actually be considerably cheaper to house them in Australia than pay the billions to run off shore detention centres.

    • Barbara Easthope it’s not always about money it can be about the safety of our country !!!!! That must come first!!!!

    • Margaret Donohue how does letting some families into Australia damage our security. We are more likely to make enemies by treating others in this manner. I can’t imagine family or friends of these incarcerated people look upon us kindly.

    • Well I just read Julia bishop is giving 10 million to Serbia so soon they’ll be better off than we are that could house a lot of our people living on the streets

    • Carol Sheridan sometimes I’m glad some decisions are made, it doesn’t mean I would have the courage to make them, cause I know how soft I am. Give me the babies n children to love and bring up in our wonderful country yes!!! So long as the values of this country are kept and regarded and we are kept safe as a nation – some hard decisions must be made. IF we could only know who is corrupt, hates what this country stands for and is threatening us it would be easier to deal with. But we in DO NOT so again hard decisions must be made. At this stage I think I would rather make enemies than have them walk amongst us with hatred in their heart and the ability to hurt many.

    • You forgot to mention …and those who think they are part of their family..the insurgents who will do our own citizens harm.

    • Paula de Almeida You seen this concentration camp with your own eyes? Have you personally seen their treatment or just going by some lie that others speak? Stop trying to be a hero and face facts!

    • You obviously listen to Sarah Hyphenated-Greenie Paula, and she just talks rubbish to bolster her own agenda. There is absolutely no proof that they are concentration camps, they are just detention centres regardless of what the greenies and dogooders and lefties say!

    • Didn’t think we had concentration camps these day thought they were for war time and I’m sure Aust will be looking after them if it’s so bad why are they not asking to go home must be worse than where they come from

    • We’re the ones bombing them and causing them hurt. Muslims have been in this country for over 150 years and have never caused any problems

    • Sue Todd I apologise for Dianne’s remark and I would like to correct it. It’s not ‘smart ass’, it’s just ass!!

    • Carol Sheridan yes they are young babies now. Sadly not all decisions are best for everyone – again I say the safety of babies, children, adults and within this country is paramount.

    • The high court’s ruling, upholding Australia’s offshore processing system, is not only the right one on legal grounds, it’s also profoundly humane.
      No more deaths at sea and no more children ripped from their mother’s arms, sinking to the bottom of a cold, dark cruel sea, ending their short innocent lives
      Governments often need to make hard, tough decisions for the greater good and for the best interest of individuals and the nation.
      The whole idea of refugees, asylum seekers, illegal entrants, boat people – whatever your terms of choice – especially children, stuck in detention until processed is a pretty raw one, and an example of tough decisions needing to be made.
      In an almost unanimous decision (six to one) the high court rejected a legal challenge by a Bangladeshi woman who was on an intercepted boat over two years ago then sent to Nauru, before being transferred to Australia for medical treatment in August 2014, at which time she was pregnant and gave birth in Australia.
      While here she and her new activist best friends seized the opportune legal moment which presented itself.
      Alas, the court found Australia is well within its rights to send illegals to other countries for detention.

      As a consequence of the decision the Australian government is now able to send 267 asylum seekers, the majority here for medical treatment, offshore for proper processing. Nearly 40 are babies born in Australia to mothers from this group, after their transfer to Australia.
      Activists have predictably whipped themselves into a Twitter frenzy, but let’s look at facts not agendas dressed up in hysterical mock drama.
      Kids are being used by criminals, lawyers, activists, the UN, Greens MPs, the Human Rights Commission and a handful of enabling journalists as emotional pawns to tear down Australia’s borders, without any thought about the real human consequences.
      People smugglers are driven by greed. Lawyers are drawn by career advancements through the free publicity. Lawyers love publicity almost as much as money. The publicity helps attract the money.
      The United Nations is hell bent on pursuing its borderless free-for-all ideology.
      The activists are mostly irresponsible attention seekers. There can’t be any other explanation, knowing what we all do, about criminal activity that results in kids drowning.
      Using kids for your own agenda is about as contemptible as it gets. Activists dressed up as journalists do more harm to their publications than the media companies can afford.
      Lawyers and activists know if kids get into Australia legally, it’s on again for young and old and Australia’s borders will be about as effective as Germany’s – with the same results. The socialist dream is everyone else’s nightmare.
      Boat smuggling crims aren’t so ideological and don’t care who they partner with to fill the boats again at $USD 10k a head. They’ve been eyeballing the high court assault in Australia by their fellow morally corrupt enablers, at the ready to kick start their deadly trade. And they haven’t even had to foot the legal bill.
      Having now lost the legal fight, the activists have predictably pulled out the next contemptible card, twitter and keyboard fingers poised to go, immorally plastering dozens of pics of babies on social media in a contrived campaign designed to ‘shame’ Malcolm Turnbull. The real ’shame’ is on those exploiting kids and luring them to their death. The shame is not on a government saving and protecting kids.
      After Labor’s Kevin Rudd tore down our borders resulting in over 1,200 deaths, including babies, over 2,000 lucky-to-be-alive children were held in detention centres with their parents for processing.
      Tony Abbott’s promise to stop the boats, matching words with action, stopped kids dying and reduced the number of kids detained. Today fewer than 80 children remain offshore awaiting a final decision.
      That’s humane.
      Sarah Hanson-Young, sobbed, “Malcolm Turnbull will be signing off to child abuse.” The vacuous senator from Sth Australia still doesn’t get kids have stopped drowning. Her preferred model remains the one delivering dead kids.
      Last October Chris Kenny of The Australian visited Nauru. Kenny interviewed a Somalian women who claimed she was raped on Nauru. When asked for specifics, she refused to give details about when, where and by whom. Police on Nauru said they knew nothing of the allegation.
      “We don’t have any complaint coming from her,” the Commissioner of Police Corey Caleb said.
      Due to the publicity of her alleged rape, police decided to seek her out for an interview and gave her the chance to make a statement – but she declined.
      It’s easy to throw around accusation and allegations especially when advised by phone by activists. Yes, these asylum seekers get all the best advice – and yes they all have mobile phones. A free trip to Nauru if you guess who’s paying for them.
      Unfortunately for the activists the story inevitably came unstuck.
      What Kenny also reported was the picture painted of Nauru by Greens MPs, so-called journalists and activists was patently false.
      The agenda-driven activists had maligned and defamed the people on the island, offensively portraying their island as a living hell on earth with labels like ‘prison island’, ‘guano heap’ or ‘rape culture’ without any thought for their impact on the Nauruans.
      The locals complained people from Australia were “telling lies” about them.
      All the invented slanderous allegations came from pot stirrers nowhere near Nauru.
      Kenny’s report was first hand, thorough, comprehensive and detailed. He spoke to asylum seekers, locals and the police. No other journo has.
      He published many photos of asylum seekers including women, walking freely around the island, clearly identified by their cultural dress of hijabs and burqas. He even spoke to asylum seekers running their own local businesses and restaurants.
      Kenny wrote of having a coffee at a cafe while watching Australia’s ABC 24 showing discredited Human Rights Commissioner Gillian Triggs talking about “detention centres” while Kenny was sipping his coffee across the road from a car wash, which happened to be another business operated by asylum seekers. Other asylum seekers have jobs in the local businesses.
      Kenny says there is no detention on the island. Refugees and asylum-seekers come and go as they please.
      For his efforts, he was howled down and abused by the furious agenda seekers on Twitter, showing again they aren’t interested in truth – just point scoring and more faux-outraged lies, while children are still being exploited by the criminal enablers with no shame.

    • Actually just had a better look at these babies they are all well dressed and look prity healthy to me they don’t look battered and dirty prob look better than some kids on the streets of Melb

    • Pablo Cruse if that is the case why is the government so ashamed of what goes on there that they allow no visitors or let any staff or consultants speak about what they see with out danger of going to gaol. If it was as great as you like to imagine wouldn’t they be more open to showing just how good it is.

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