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It’s been the topic on everyone’s lips this week as the execution of Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan looms. Myuran already knows his fate – his final bid for clemency was denied, and Andrew is still awaiting the full confirmation that he too will die.

In 2005, the Bali Nine (as the media dubbed them) directed all eyes to Australia. They were arrested on April 17 where their plan to smuggle 8.3kg of heroin into Australia was foiled. All nine of the group were sentenced with life in prison and the ringleaders, Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan were sentenced to death. It was common knowledge at the time that drug smuggling would carry a life or death sentence, so there was a lack of public empathy towards the syndicate.

Now, 10 years later, they are all in prison in Bali and are still living out their sentences. It was revealed last week that there was almost no chance that Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan would be spared, despite Julie Bishop saying yesterday that the Australian Government had spoken to the Indonesian Government regarding the matter over 50 times. She said that she and the Government were making representations at highest level to avoid the execution of two Australians. This comes after Brazil and Netherlands withdrew their Indonesian ambassadors in retaliation for the execution of their own citizens over the weekend.

There is also the complicated issue that Brisbane lawyer Robert Myers pointed out yesterday to the ABC – the Abbott Government should mention the role played by Australian Federal Police (AFP) in providing intelligence on the trafficking conspiracy when they desperately try to make a bid to save the lives of the men. The AFP were tipped off by Bali Nine member Scott Rush’s father who suspected his son was going to be involved in a drug smuggling operation. His father Lee Rush later condemned the AFP for telling Indonesian authorities before the group left for Australia.

It’s a topic that is now dividing those who were once adamant the pair should suffer the consequences of the failed plan. Should the two men simply live out a life sentence in prison? Or should they be executed because that is the law in Indonesia?

It has left many wondering if they wanted to kill these two men, then why didn’t they do it sooner? This is mainly because of a change of government. Capital punishment was stopped in 2008, 2 years into the men’s sentences, but was resumed in 2013, though no executions were carried out in 2014. Sukumaran and Chan have used this time to show they can be rehabilitated – they campaigned for classes in Kerobokan prison and now many prisoners are gaining skills for life outside bars. The glimmer of hope for Myuran and Andrew to live was been dashed by the resumption of capital punishment in Indonesia and while it’s unclear what Andrew’s state of mind is at the moment, Myuran is said to be in despair.

The pair’s lawyer Julian McMahon said that if Chan’s clemency application could be deferred, then Sukumaran may also be spared because of the requirement under Indonesian law that prisoners who commit a crime together be executed together.

Speaking to The Australian on Sunday, Myuran said “I’m cracking up. I walk around crying. I usually never cry. I can’t stop it. I don’t know what to do”. He spoke of his fear that someone will take him in the night to be executed by firing squad. Myuran also revealed that he was told he would die in late January and is now anxiously waiting for the inevitable and passing the time by painting, which is one of his favourite pastimes.

His lawyer Julian McMahon wanted to reiterate what Chan and Sukumaran have done in Kerobokan prison – they have transformed it. “There is simply no doubt that Myuran and Andrew have profoundly changed the prison for the better,” he told The Australian. “Six years ago, they fought for and won the right to get classes started. Now there are many classes. Poor and unskilled prisoners can learn skills to set up them for jobs when they leave. What a great achievement that is, from sitting on death row. That’s why killing them is so unjust. Why kill what you have fixed?”.

And that is the question so many Australians, including Julie Bishop, Bill Shorten and Tony Abbott, are asking.

Should they be executed for a foolish decision they made 10 years ago despite a full rehabilitation? Or is it tough luck? Tell us what your thoughts are on this contentious issue today.


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  1. Its a very sad case but no one can overrule laws of another country.

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    • We should not interfere into other countries laws we should respect them but we could ask for clemency on their behalf

  2. No I think they should be returned to Australia and serve they time out here

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    • Good idea Joy. And while we are at it. YOU pay for their in carceration for the next ten years. No reason for us to have to fork out.

  3. If they did this in Australia, they would probably have served their time and be out of gaol now, I know its another countries laws but to me it is like murdering them, I don’t like the death penalty at all for crimes where they can be rehabilitated

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    • I know your right but I could not do it Percy, it seems very inhumane to me

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      • What about the lives lost from the use of the drugs they were trying to bring into the Country. How many times had they done this before getting caught this time? Sorry but having dealt with drug use in the family I have no sympathy at all for them

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    • Yes agree every one should get a second chance , dont like the death sentencce. There is the 1 percent you could be wrong. But again we know DRUGS are dangerous in more ways then one.

    • Young people sucked into drugs…who do not know the quality of what they buy who overdose and die don’t get a second chance…does any one of you think of the suffering caused by drugs. Who is to say they are rehabilitated and won’t do it again….too many second chances…can any of you give my 19 year old step son another life…3 months on drugs and gone….because he met a girl that took drugs and decided to try them….mnn he bought uncut heroin….just started a traineeship….a whole life ahead of him…..where is it now

    • Just like the fella that killed Jill ! he got a secont chance ,and what did he do with it!they would have done their time in an Aussie jail and got the second chance to go do it all over again! well sorry!

    • How about the death sentence they are inflicting on other people’s children while trafficking these drugs. They have only turned their lives around because they have been caught. They knew the laws of the county, they choose to ignore that and now they have to face the consequences and maybe if children had to except the consequences of their action from childhood instead of all the do gooders making it easy for them they would make better decisions as adults.

    • You obviously haven’t seen first hand what these drugs do Elise, the trail of distraction they leave behind for everyone involved because if you had you would make a more intelligent response. You may not be of the same opinion as me and that is the way it should be but a retort such as that really does show your ignorance.

    • I respect your opinion , but if you have seen an addicts slow lingering death and watched what it does to their families it might change your mind .

    • They strapped the drugs to their bodies themselves, knowing what the law of the country was. I saw first hand, what the drugs do to the kids that use them too.

    • While I appreciate all of you people who want the death penalty for these boys telling me your opinions..it is not me you need to tell!! I don’t have anything to do with drugs at all, nor do I condone it. But I do not like the death penalty, life in an Indonesian gaol would be hell enough. You need to tell those who have the power of life or death over these boys

    • They knew the law in Bali. U don’t need to be a rocket scientist to know this may happen in that country. They all had a choice. They made the wrong choice. That is their fault.

    • erica what don’t you understand about I don’t care what you have to say..this is my opinion..start a post of your own..I am getting notified every time you post on my link. I can’t be any clearer with what I have said and I do not have the power of life and death over these people

    • what about the cruel deaths they inflicted on people and yes i think capital punishment is appropriate for this, murder, rape, child abuse, pedophiles coz pedophilia is an abnormality that cannot be cured, might be a safer place then

    • I have seen first hand what drugs do. I sympathize with the victims and their families. It still doesn’t justify the death penalty. And let’s not forget the drug abusers also made choices. Almost no-one today can claim they have not been taught about the effects of drugs! I do not wish the consequences on them but nor do I wish the death penalty on anyone.

    • Tony Abbott has called on the Indonesian Government to show mercy on these boys, rotting in an Indonesian goal would probably be worse than death, I feel sorry for their families

    • They are are parasites, living of the misfortune of others and have directly or indirectly caused the deaths of many others. Why did they wait 10 years, they should have been executed immediately. There has never been a war on drugs, so how could we lose the war? Every country should execute drug pedlars without hesitation, see how many idiots front up to do it then.

    • No Shana we don’t have a blood lust, we are just stating laws in different countries. You have to look at this country and the entire Western world where Police have Orders to shoot and kill in domestic violence cases. Even a cripple if he’s holding a kitchen knife and peeling an apple, Orders are Shoot to Kill if the disabled man appears aggressive. Who bis blood thirsty?

    • I am not talking about you Percy but you need to read the posts of others, if it was up to me there would be no guns for anyone to be shot..death is final

    • Totally agree leanna. It doesn’t matter to me how many countries have the DP. In my opinion I completely disagree with killing another human for a crime in which they can change. I can’t believe Bali is so primitive in the way they think. Black and White. Yes they should pay for what they did but not with there life.

  4. I dont agree with the death penalty but they knew the consequences & what the laws of that country where.

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    • I agree how many Australian lives would they have destroyed IF they had got away with it. They would have known the risks. Do the crime face the consequences of the said country.

    • I agree Anne. I don’t agree with the death penalty for crimes of this nature but they strapped the drugs to themselves and they knew the consequences they would face if they got caught. Let them serve out their time in jail.

  5. I hate anything to do with drugs, and people need to abide by the rules of the country they reside in or are visiting. These men did not do that and deserved to be jailed and punished severely. They have been. And it would appear they are rehabilitated. Capital punishment now seems so wrong and several years too late.

  6. And we must remember they were taking the drugs out of the country. The AFP should’ve arrested them here when they landed. They’ve done their time.

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    • I am anti drugs I never tried any in my life, I don’t even drink alcohol but death is such a permanent thing, we have serial killers here like Milat, who don’t get death

    • All countries have obligations to check departing passengers, if they are carrying drugs they are arrested. Milat is alive only because we don’t have the death sentence here, and as God only knows that scum like that really doesn’t deserve to be breathing our precious oxygen

    • Death is a permanent thing Libbi so are you saying that the ones supplying and killing our young ones with their filth don’t deserve death because it’s inflicted on them by an other counties law that they rebelliously ignored but the deaths they cause is ok. Tell that to the grieving parents of the children they were happy to supply.

    • your a bitter person Wanda, these kids have not even begun to live..yes drug taking is bad but so is them being murdered in a foreign country..I think it is disgusting and what is Bishop doing about it?o

    • Bindy, they knew when they entered that country what the punishment would be for trafficking drugs. Think about all the people they could have murdered with the heroin. I have no sympathy for them whatsoever, and I am not a bitter person. Here’s hoping this will be a lesson to other people who think about doing the same thing. I doubt that it will be because the money they get for bringing the drugs back would be a huge temptation. Have they really learned their lesson!!!

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      • and its not as if they had half an ounce of the stuff Bin dy. they had 8.3 kilos. worth m illions of dollars to them

    • The death penalty is barbaric, whether it is done ‘scientifically’ with an injection or in a shooting gallery. In this case, the AFP alerted the Indonesian authorities after a concerned parent tipped them off. A few hours more and they could all have been detained on Australian soil. The drugs would not have reached the streets. An absolute tragedy for everyone. I am no fan of Julie Bishop but to be fair, Ben Quilty says she has been amazing and her role will eventually be known.

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      • I would agree with you ,as long as being caught bringing drugs into Australia , carried a penalty that they NEVER be released .

    • I stand by what I say Bindy and I’m far from a bitter person but how many people have you been directly involved with that have lost sons and daughters and grandchildren to this epidemic directly or indirectly. People have this media formed opinion but they have never actually experienced it for themselves and you know what Bindy, think all you like about me but the ones I care about are our young ones getting feed this vile stuff at the school gates by these people who traffic it cause it starts with them.

    • Bindy Jones – ‘These kids’ you say! They are criminals who have been condemned to die for their crimes. Could we take the risk that if allowed to come into Australia, the drugs would too? How many young Australians would have died. Why should Julie Bishop waste her time with drug mules?

    • As a Grandmother who has seen the effects drugs can have Im afraid I have no sympathy for drug pushers. And how stupid can you be when you are in a country that has the death penalty to traffic drugs. I feel for their families but they are adults who knew what would happen to them if caught carrying drugs and it wasn’t soft drugs they were carrying

    • Addiction….. To whatever substance or behaviour…..is an attempt to ameliorate emotional pain. On some level addicts are choosing their path, as tragic as it is.
      If AFP had prior knowledge, why was the whole expedition not stopped?
      Why kill what has been fixed?

    • they havent done the time,please they quickly became christiansdidnt they and helping others do better with there lives,Why to be sure that people would feel sorry for them so that They would not be executed PLEASE its so easy to pull the wool over DO GOODERS

    • And it is so hard to convince haters. Work in the prison system and you do see people who genuinely turn their lives around. Not everyone remains on the criminal path for the rest of their lives. Prison can be a real wake up call for some. Deprivation of liberty makes them think big time. Not everyone who goes behind bars ends up being a career criminal.

    • Did any of the Bali explosion get the death penalty when they killed our Australian people NO so why are they murdering these Australians from what I can see most of the drugs they are trying to fight are home grown so how about a few more Indonesians be executed (which I don’t believe in anyway) or maybe we reduce the amount of money we give this barbaric country ,

    • you people are idiots..why should Julia Bishop waste her time? because she is the Foreign Minister of this country and that is her job, but Tony Abbott..today has asked for clemency for the young men..it is the only decent thing I have seen him do in 500 days !!

  7. I watched a documentary on this , and it made me feel ill, apparently they are taken to a field and shot by a firing squad who are not experienced shooters. The death is for the most not quick and it can up to 20 minutes for them to die. They were just kids when they did this, we all do stupid things when we were young, it just that they went many steps farther than many of us would even dream of taking. No I don’t agree with it

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    • I you lost a child/family member due to drugs they trafficked would you still feel the same?

  8. On the question of rehabilitation;maybe, maybe not. On the question of the death penalty; let’s not interfere with the laws of another country.What are the odds these two (and many others) call themselves Australian only when it suits them.

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    • I guess you are therefore happy enough with beheadings, stonings, hands being amputated etc because we shouldn’t interfere in the laws of other countries.

    • I dont think we should interfere with another countries laws, as soon as you step off the plane there are warning signs everywhere about the death penalty so if they start letting people get away with it what will that tell them…. like here you can get away with murder???

    • Margaret. Who said anything about beheadings, stonings and hands being cut off.That is a different issue. You wrongly assume that I am in favour of such barbaric acts.

  9. Sometimes something very good emerges from something bad and this is exactly what has happened in this case.
    In the 10 years that they have been in one of the harshest prisons in the world they have grown from irresponsible boys into men that are positively contributing to changing the lives of others. The classes are not only teaching inmates skills they can use when they are released, they are also generating an income for the jail that they use to create more opportunities to upskill the inmates.
    Let them serve out the rest of their sentence continuing the good work they have started.
    The time has passed for their punishment to be enacted, now it would just be murder.
    I’m sure that the government can do better, it’s too late when it’s too late.

  10. its ok to stick up for them but how much money would they make if they had got through & dont forget the damage it could do to our kids

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    • I agree Paul I think I would change under there circumstances but like you said family could have lost there kids if they were not stopped Its a yuk thought they will be executed but many it will set an example because being in there jails doesn’t seem to does it

    • Agree wholeheartedly,they damwell knew what they were doing and stupid for not realising the consequences.Having a young family member affected by drugs these men make me very angry.

  11. Killing them creates another murderer…. Like you say , had it happened here they would have been out and not rehabilitated …

  12. Its a sad case however Im sure they were aware of the consequences if they were caught. Also how many young lives would they have destroyed had the drugs not been found. In fact how many deaths would they have caused through drug use in this country.

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