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Yesterday saw horrible atrocity in the western world.  Hundreds of people died in a city that looks not-dissimilar to our own cities here in Australia and New Zealand.

It is a problem that has been growing in significance since 2013 and one which the world is shaking its head.  The question we have to ask is “Why are the moderate leaders of the Islamic faith not putting a stop to this?”

People all over the world have been dying at the hands of islamic militants for a nearly two years now, in Syria, Iraq and in terror attacks on cities like Sydney and Paris and their attacks on western society appear to be deepening, and becoming more extreme putting at risk the western people’s respect for moderate Islamic followers, and assuming that anyone who believes might have significant risk of association to extremeism.  It is a horrible generalisation, but one which people in times of fear can’t help but carry in a country like Australia.

The Islamic State pledges itself as a religion led organisation, governed by Islamic Law, or Sharia Law and demands that Muslims across the world swear allegiance to its leader – Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim al-Badri al-Samarrai, better known as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi – and migrate to territory under its control.

IS has told other jihadist groups worldwide that they must accept its supreme authority. Many already have, among them several offshoots of the rival al-Qaeda network.

IS seeks to eradicate obstacles to restoring God’s rule on Earth and to defend the Muslim community, or umma, against infidels and apostates.

The group believes that the atrocities it is involved in represent end-of-times showdown between Muslims and their enemies described in Islamic apocalyptic prophecies.

In our own countries, if the Catholics or the Protestants behaved outside of our moderate religious platforms they would be disciplined and called into line.

So why, we have to ask are the moderate and long-term leaders of this religion not calling a stop to the extremists?

 

This is our “Let’s Talk” topic for the morning, and we’re sure the opinions will be polarising.  Please be sure to be respectful in your comments and discuss it with meaning.

 

 

 

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  1. Grand Mufti SILENT, Jamal RIFI, SILENT , Any one in charge SILENT. Not even supposedly moderates have uttered a word on FB or on radio. And they keep asking for more money to de radicalise these kids, only to find their parents have no idea where they go, what they do or with whom, Schoolkids !!!!!!!!!!!!

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  2. It is as obvious as hell why the “Moderates” don’t stop it….They all want it to happen. They can all say they dissagree with what is happening but they are happy for it to be happening, They want world domination but don’t want to turn to full violence to achieve it so they let the radical groups do it for them.. If they didn’t like it they would stop it. When Islam has taken over the world they will deal to the radicals.

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    • Deception is part of their tools of trade because they believe in the saying, “The end justifies the means”.

    • There is even a groundswell of radical Muslims on Fb spruiking the idea ‘with proof’ that 9-11 was a setup!

    • They will acknowledge Jesus as being a prophet but do not call Him “Jesus Christ” because they decry the whole concept that He is the Son of God. Yet the Qu’ran talks of the virgin Mary as being his mother. Join the dots.

    • Wow! You people surprise me.How would you suggest they stop it? I suppose that all Christians support the actions of the radical ones who are also terrorists. Do you know any Muslims? They are no different than anyone else. Its really bigoted and narrow-minded to think that ALL Muslims support these attacks.

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      • Gail Bailey not all Muslims support or are terrorists but unfortunately all terrorists are Muslims. And the moderate Muslims should be coming out and condemning the terrorists but they don’t. Why?

    • So much hate from Christians against Muslims.
      I dispair of there ever being peace in the world. Shame on you all!

    • Maybe they can’t stop it. These extremists are just too many for them to do anything about. They are, unfortunately, brainwashing too many young people, including some from Australia. They are vermin, not people of peace.

    • Well said. The Quran quotes death to all infidels on page one, yet they say they are a religion of peace. This only applies when they have complete control and we have all turned to the muslim faith. The moderates will never speak out as it is their ultimate aim, even though they deny it. Unfortunately we are heading to major unrest world wide.

    • Jenny Tandberg I’m just thankful that I may not live long enough to see it happen.. Do feel for my grandkids though.

    • What about the Bible? They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

    • Deuteronomy 17
      If there be found among you, within any of thy gates which the LORD thy God giveth thee, man or woman, that hath wrought wickedness in the sight of the LORD thy God, in transgressing his covenant; 17:3 And hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them, either the sun, or moon, or any of the host of heaven, which I have not commanded; 17:4 And it be told thee, and thou hast heard of it, and enquired diligently, and, behold, it be true, and the thing certain, that such abomination is wrought in Israel; 17:5 Then shalt thou bring forth that man or that woman, which have committed that wicked thing, unto thy gates, even that man or that woman, and shalt stone them with stones, till they die.

      Read more: http://www.atheistrev.com/2005/03/bible-commands-christians-to-kill.html#ixzz3rVGJx4rV

    • Gail ,I’m not religious, but it’s no good quoting from the Old Testament … It was superseded by the New Testament… Purely meant for history purposes….check your facts ….

    • Gail Bailey Adams you are wasting your breath on me. Don’t believe in any religion. Christianity and the christian church in general has beeen resposible for the deaths of more innocent down through the ages that any war, natural disaster or plague. We are in the year 2015 and for crying out loud the world should have realised the folly of this sort of stupidity 100 years ago but no it is getting worse. The Christians have had their reign of terror and now it is another bunch of crazies that are doing the killing and maiming…we have learned nothing from the past.

    • It’s only as obvious as guesswork can be, but then to some people god is obvious, meh.

  3. Why not ask them?
    My guess is it is for the same reason that Christian leaders have been unable to eradicate the Ku Klux Klan, or hate-fuelled churched like Hillsborough Baptist. Men love power. Hate delivers this in spades.

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  4. Bring back OUR elected PM , we feel safer under him. or so thousands have stated today .

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    • You mean Abbott? You felt safe?? Led by TA?? Now that is ridiculous for sure. He was no leader. For heavens sake he really is not a part if this conversation. He has had his day and fluffed it Leave him out of this. This is much bigger than him. It is a problem where the Muslim moderates are expected to stand up and smack the radicals down but they are not as they agree with the radicals. It is a shocking situation and we need a united response world wide.

    • Merran Heather Brown Abbott has more idea of what goes on than the two in charge now, MT & BS , thousands think so.

    • Merran Heather Brown Don’t be so bloody patronising , Don’t call me dear either, stick to the topic

    • You silly woman. YOU took it off topic. I am responding to your statements about your blind adoration of TA. Dawn? Why don’t the Islamic states stop this?

    • Dawn Abbott is not coming back and I don’t feel safer under Abbott, he was always trying to scares us, I have just woken up, who stated this because they never asked me?

    • I just looked it up online and I can’t find a thing written on thousands wanting Abbott back and Dawn there are 24 millions in this country, that is quite a few more than thousands

    • I certainly didn’t feel safer under him. The very way he spoke was playing to the terrorist. He was likely to stir more Muslim youth to terrorism than prevent it with his idiotic comments and fascist strutting.

    • Under either of the 2 in charge now , we will go under , in debt & crime, But as we have a choice ,each to his own,

    • Libbi Elliot Judging by numbers on FB pages nothing seems to have changed, except most aren’t happy with Turdball , he is useless. . I can see numbers on each one

    • Dawn Bruce you have taken the comments of a few right wingers online and turn it into a call to have Abbott back, the reality is millions don’t want him back and if he is ever PM again, the Liberals will lose the election

    • GOOD , as we are all voting for new parties , and it isn’t a FEW . How would you know how many aren’t happy ! We just don’t like what MT stands for, he may as well join Bill.

    • Who you kidding, Mr Abbott was elected by the people of Australia. Not like the new PM. I’m definitely not going to

    • you have a choice who you vote Joseph, just like we all do but it was the Liberal Party who removed Abbott and they have gone up the polls ever since so it appears that they made the right decision

    • You’re joking Dawn Bruce.
      Surely you’re not that delusional? I guess you didn’t agree with that sentiment when previous elected Labor PM’s were deposed????

    • Oh dear we’re back to discussing TB again. Please remember those who chose to vote for him and not your candidate or Party, must admit that TB said and did many things before the election, and very swiftly dropped and changed ‘his’ party platform and the champion ideas he spruked. He’s gone good riddance.

    • Wendy Coman Like they all do, nothing will ever be achieved as Govt now is for 3 years, Senate has all the say. At least he got Asylum seekers right . If we had another 10.000 to keep ,country would be broke

    • You do realise that no PM is elected by the people, the people vote for a party and the party who wins the most seats elects a PM. Secondly, only brain dead morons would feel safe under rabbit’s rule. Thirdly, what the hell does this have to do with the article ? nothing at all.

  5. Perhaps the first thing to do is to define what “it” is you want stopped. Following that, define who it is who is doing “it” and then who you think should stop “it” happening and how.

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    • Easy, the Muslim religion. No place for it in modern society. Equivilent of witches in olden times.

    • When you get around to removing the Christian religion from US society and politics you can begin to point the finger at Muslim religion. God bless A….”

    • Cant compare Christian religions to MUSLIM. thy don’t tell people to follow a Murderer , & their customs & traditions are barbaric, In fact most of their religion belongs in the dark ages. Even the Catholic church is changing

  6. Probably because they are not terrorists and don’t know any.!

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    • Quit inciting fear in our communities. That’s what the terrorist people want. That is their agenda and you help them by inciting fear when nothing has happened.!

    • Have a good look at how many murders of babies and young people have happened in recent months by pedophiles and within families. Rape and plunder in our wonderful pure communities done to our young ones. Babies in suitcases and the Mother of the baby found in the bush and so forth and so on and then talk about what we are going to do about that.! And those murdering bastards aren’t Muslims. Who are they. What religious group do they support. So, let’s get a grip on that one.!

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      • Epeadophiles don’t murder people en masse! They get caught and are dealt with…these ISIS terrorists are being hidden by “moderate” Muslims within mosques in our communities. There has not been one Muslim leader come on any type of media and condemn what has happened in Paris.
        This government and its touchy freely followers are blithely allowing all these people into the country…..it was on the news that at least 2 of the killers in Paris were Syrians, possibly refugees!!! Our government is letting 12,000 in??? No proper checks? Just accepting their word that they are refugees? Mostly men who have left their wives and children to suffer in refugee camps? In civilised countries the men would stay behind and fight for their countries while they made sure their women and children were safe….how can people not believe that these terrorists have infiltrated these refugee camps….

    • That is their way and we have our way. It is not our right to try to westernize them is it. We should never have meddled in middle eastern affairs in the beginning and maybe if we had done that then none of this would be happening now because in the codes over there they have payback. We should mind our own business. We have big problems to address in the Western nations. We should sweep our own backyards and get them sparkling clean before going and trying to get others of different cultures to embrace ours. Ours is a very big failure. Why would others want to follow our way of life. Everyone here is in debt and can never get out. Credit card debt, housing debt. What do we own. nothing but debt and we think our way of life is the one to embrace for all. We need to get a reality check. Leave people alone to live their lives and get on with ours that’s what i think. It is none of our business this middle eastern thing. We should never have gone there in the beginning because it has no destabilized the whole world. Maybe it is our fault. Has anyone thought of that.!

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      • Err Ermmmm, your name translates actually in “Syria” actually, Surya. This is how you call Syria in Arabic – so actually all this rambling here about us ‘disseminating fear’ in our own communities, where is that coming from – considering you must be Syrian.
        Are you here to observe or to lecture us?
        Why are you trying to convince us that your people killing-killing-killing all the time have the right to do so and we are ‘guilty’ for their crimes? You disgust me actually when you say this, this is ISIS propaganda word by word:

        “It is not our right to try to westernize them is it. We should never have meddled in middle eastern affairs in the beginning and maybe if we had done that then none of this would be happening now because in the codes over there they have payback. We should mind our own business. We have big problems to address in the Western nations. We should sweep our own backyards and get them sparkling clean before going and trying to get others of different cultures to embrace ours. Ours is a very big failure. Why would others want to follow our way of life. Everyone here is in debt and can never get out. Credit card debt, housing debt. What do we own. nothing but debt and we think our way of life is the one to embrace for all. We need to get a reality check. Leave people alone to live their lives and get on with ours that’s what i think. It is none of our business this middle eastern thing. We should never have gone there in the beginning because it has no destabilized the whole world. Maybe it is our fault. Has anyone thought of that.!”
        Whaaaat???!!
        You picked the very wrong moment – you should be ashamed of yourself! “It’s none of our business this middle eastern thing” – oh please! Quit making propaganda here. Don’t like it here? Feel free to move back there then. You can bank with the Saudis!
        Geez, what a nerve on you, woman!

    • If one banks with the Mecca bank in Australia i believe they don’t charge interest and one would get a much better interest rate on their investments. That comes down from Koranic law. Maybe someone who knows more could clarify whether i am right with that or not. But i believe that is the way it is done.! If true would people be against that as well.!

    • I can see all you racist bigots running down to the Mecca bank right now to invest your lucre. It will be ok then won’t it.! You will be sprouting about how wonderful it is and all will be forgiven. It is the Australian way. The capitalist way.!

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      • “I can see all you racist bigots running down to the Mecca bank right now to invest your lucre. It will be ok then won’t it.! You will be sprouting about how wonderful it is and all will be forgiven. It is the Australian way. The capitalist way.!”

        You cannot see crap, Syria.
        Nobody even answered your comments but me and I did it because I can see exactly who you were, I noticed your name and how you did not learn the way “.” and “!” should be used correctly. The others all ignored you, but you still felt compelled to insult them all.
        Nobody here is a bigger bigot than you.
        Very un – Australian from afar. Stop pretending like you give a for letter word about our communities.

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