Should Tony Abbott stand firm to Indonesia? 714



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Today is the last day we can fight for Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, and I am willing to put my hand up and say that I believe Australia should fight. Many across the country are doing so – standing firm and asking Tony Abbott to stand up at his strongest for our countrymen, who to many of us appear to be well on the way to rehabilitation for their crimes. The impact of standing up to Indonesia now could be awful but on scale of awful, it is not even comparable to negotiating with terrorists like ISIL to free people before their death. Should we be afraid of another Government or should step up the diplomatic negotiations to the very top of our countries in the firmest way we know how.

It could mean they turn against the two men in a more firm and obnoxious way. It could mean trade repercussions. It could mean travel and visa restrictions, and it could mean international hostility. It also has big implications for foreign aid. We provided Indonesia with $581M of foreign aid last year. But most of all, it could save two men’s lives, who since they committed a crime have spent years rebuilding the lives of themselves and others. No one is asking for their release, just let them live in jail and with humanity.

There is talk in the media this morning that we are prepared to withdraw our Ambassador to Indonesia over this. Surely that won’t do anything at all.

But the end is very very near. And if we don’t do something today, it is likely we’ll be facing a new challenge tomorrow, national persecution of Indonesia across our nation who had become quite desirable as a destination for many.

Andrew Chan and his fiancee Febyanti Herewila were married yesterday knowing he will likely be executed at midnight Indonesian time.

They’ve each had to choose someone to be a witness at their executions, so Chan has chosen Salvation Army Minister David Soper; and Sukumaran has chosen Christie Buckingham, a Senior Pastor at Melbourne’s Bayside Church.

Sukumaran has chosen not to wear a blindfold.

Already there are many many signs that Indonesian Government are not sympathetic to Australia’s pleas, with the Government asking them not to announce the 72-hour trigger on ANZAC Day, which was clearly ignored. Pictures have been released of their headstones being painted without empathy for anyone.

As the country watches on do you hold Tony Abbott and Julie Bishop responsible for the next step that they do or do not take to save these boys’ lives? Or do you believe it is not their problem?

The choices our politicians have are muddy at best, and no one knows the true impact of standing up for our own citizens on the international stage. What we do know is that we aren’t standing up to terrorists who would be likely to be feared. That this is another government making decisions the only way they know how, by their constitution. Therefore, the firmest stance we can make should not place us in fear of our safety as a nation, it should only place us in fear of our conscience if we don’t. But that’s just my opinion.


Do you stand for mercy?


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Rebecca Wilson

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  1. They knew what would happen yet they did it

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    • Please find forgiveness in your heart they have reformed and can help so many

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      • Of course, anyone who couldn’t find forgiveness for those two boys after they had proved they were sorry. It was disgraceful to think of them being strung up and shot like dogs. Disgusting.

    • They had no choice but to reform, they were in jail..and couldn’t do much else, close the gate after the horse had bolted… I feel for the parents and realtives of these two men

    • Yes they did they could have done what many have done smoked dope evidently freely available sat and done nothing but they didn’t read what they have done in jail but regardless the death penalty is wrong

    • Where is the warnings to others who want to try to do these things, there seems to be an unspoken acceptance of this drug trade!

    • Don’t you people realise that these two traffickers had done it before?? Being caught wasn’t the first!!! Also in their selfless act they also caused the imprisonment if the mules who were bringing the drugs into Australia.
      They were the Drug Lords and knew the consequences of their Crimes. They were caught and received the punishment as required by the law
      Indonesia as sovereign country has every right to prosecute The Laws of their Country as they see fit
      Rehabilitated yeah right??? How many other “rehabilitated” prisoners have we seen released , then go out and repeat offend???

    • You’re a hard lot of over ’60’s…. Why have jail if not to reform! So shoot everyone if jail doesn’t work is that the answer ?

    • Maybe that might slow the crime rate down a bit some people need to get their heads out of the sand & see how these drugs destroy lives do you think the dealers care ?
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    • They would still be doing it if they had not got caught

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      • Yes Beryl I agree, how many young Aussie kids have these two and their ilk killed with drugs. These two were regulars on the drug smuggling trail, only wanted to reform after being caught.

    • They didn’t give up the names of their so called bosses

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      • Had they named the ‘drug bosses’ their families would have been placed in danger.
        I hope and pray that the executions do not go ahead.

    • How many lives would they have destroyed if the drugs arrived in Australia. Did they care. No it was pure greed and they were not squeaky clean before this trip. They had prior form and knew the consequences.

  2. No why should they be held responsible they have wasted enough time and energy on theses convicted drugs peddlers.. all this BS should of been started 10yrs ago not when it became apparent that their sentence will be carried out..

  3. I think the government has done everything they possible can. There will always be those that say they didn’t do enough, what we don’t know is what went on behind closed doors.

  4. not at all and the celebraties video is appalling blaming tony Abbott.

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    • I agree, and there are a lot of actors I have been put-off today, by their disgusting attitude, obviously a purely political stunt by a pack of bolshie actors looking for an extra few minutes of fame! A pox on the lot of them! I believe the government has done all possible in the circumstances – even Labor must agree with that!

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      • I agree Brian, I too have found the so called Actors video appalling, blaming our Government. What more can Tony Abbott do? One of the actresses said to grow some balls and go to Indonesia, how bloody rude! I am so over it!

  5. I am so over this topic, They knew what they were doing and what the outcome would be if they got caught.,,many people die because of drug traffickers..

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    • Yes that is lime nnot accepting a sorry they can do so much good in prison I can’t understand why
      Some people have no compassion or forgiveness

    • How can u be over be two men’s lives..I don’t get it show mercy

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      • Where is the mercy those two had or have for the lives that may have been lost by the use of those drugs.All they were concerned about was the money they were going to make.

    • No I don’t get it either its condoning murder

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      • So agree Jen, and everyone else, who is against murder of rehabilitated prisoners, (10 years after their crime)…..but then that is Indonesia, and their grinning, corrupt president, and the bulk of their police force…and we give them aide…..why??? if we have money to give away…look after our homeless and disadvantaged, their are thousands of them also….

    • Marcia and Cindy, just in case I discover we are related, I want you to know that I will immediately deny we are if you ever try to claim kin with me.

    • Some people have no compassion this I find so hard to understand it serves no purpose to execute anyone regardless of what they have done.

    • Did these two men have any compassion for the many people who would have been affected by the drugs they were trafficing? Tony Abott has done more than enough for these people.

    • They did what they did knowing the risks and got caught in the wrong place! But dont make excuses for users. That first time they also make the wrong choice. There is always a market for users and sellers will find a market. Tis a 2 way street.

    • Yes but they have themselves to blame for taking bloody drugs, they chose to put in arms and mouth, people can say No to drugs

    • People have entered into this as some ridiculous way of condoning the death penalty..this will not have any effect on drug traffickers

    • The more protests the more resolute they become. Joko went to the election promising tougher drug law. He can’t be seen to be retreating. The world is watching. We have made sure of it. All our politicians were unanimous in their support. It is their law. They have a big population and the people is behind it. They need to send a message to drug traffickers.

    • Supply and demand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If addicts did not demand then supply would stop. These men did not physically push drugs ‘into’ users.
      They don’t deserve to be killed for their actions…a life in prison should be their punishment. WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO TAKE ANOTHER”S LIFE…REGARDLESS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • So Christine , are you saying he is murdering people to save face ?
      Maybe they should start murdering the addicts ? the people who CHOOSE to take drugs . . Let’s send a message out saying ‘ you take drugs , you will be killed by the Indonesian government . Sounds good ! Should stop anyone from taking drugs !

  6. Just remember this is law of the country, drug smugglers, runners and sellers are are the cause of a lot of deaths, sickness and sadness. They knew what they were doing but got caught . Better if they were put down slowly with the drugs they were caught with though .

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    • Sorry we must always having forgiving hearts .they have helped so many in prison..I am extremely upset these negative comments are not good please show Mercy

    • So all laws should be obeyed like those in Saudi Arabia where you can be flogged for being an atheist beheaded or hung for adultery ??? People have stood against barbaric laws for a long time

  7. It, the government has done all it can. They didn’t tell them to take drugs there. It is the fault of the culprits. I don’t agree with the death penalty tho’. It doesn’t stop them.

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