An excellent outcome on gay marriage… For Tony Abbott, anyway 326



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Considering everything that is happening in in world right now, you might think a matter like marriage equality would be dealt with swiftly.

But it took a marathon six-hour meeting, which wrapped up late last night, for the issue to be resolved.

In the end, coalition MPs decided against a free vote on whether same-sex couples should be allowed to marry in Australia. The decision was split 60 to 30, with the majority in favour of maintaining the coalition’s position that marriage should be between a man and woman, and the remainder calling for a conscience vote.

The Prime Minister said the coalition would stick to what it promised in the 2013 election for the remainder of the current parliamentary term.

“There was strong support for the existing position … that marriage is between a man and a woman,” said Mr Abbott. “The last thing you should do is dud the people who voted for you.”

My Abbott emphasised that the position would hold until the end of the government’s term, and then could be reassessed.

“We don’t want to say there can’t ever be change on this matter.”

He also opened the door for a plebiscite or constitutional referendum.

“And what that will mean is that the focus of debate on this particular subject will no longer be members of parliament but … the Australian people as a whole,” Mr Abbott said

This is a good outcome for the Prime Minster, who was caught between the rock of hardline party conservatives upon whom he depends for support, and the hard place of leading a nation that overwhelmingly supports the change.

However, the ABC reports this morning that Liberal MPs are shocked by how the Prime Minister handled the whole affair, describing it as “ramshackle”.

For those in the party who support change, the decision resolves nothing. And even supporters of traditional marriage said the Prime Minister’s handling of the day’s events was “messy”. One senior Liberal described it as “madness”.

“I have never seen anything as mad as this,” the senior Liberal said. “They were literally making it up as they went along.”

Liberal MP Warren Entsch, who introduced the cross-party bill to allow same-sex marriage, admitted to Sky News is was doomed to fail.

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What do you think of the outcome? Do you welcome a referendum? 


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  1. I personally dont understand why people want this but when i read this i think it is all about the government saying “You will do as you are told”. When i moved to the shire i am in i asked the local council if i could live here and they said yes. Within one year the mayor we have now was thumping the table saying to me “If you want to live in my shire you will do as you are told.” Maybe it is time the government worked for the people instead of against them.

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    • Eddie if perchance you were Gay (heaven-forbid), then maybe you would understand. Walk a mile in someone else’s shoes.

    • Glenda, if i was gayit might be diferent as you say. I am sorry but i cant quite see the reason to get married. As i say if people want to i am the first to say get married, i must be too old i guess but i dont understand. When i got married ages ago i thought marriage was to protect the wife and kids. That doesnt seem to work now so it might be a good thing. I am all for people doing what they want and as i say i dont think the politicians should even be voting on it, it is a control the masses thing.

    • There are many legal rights denied to couples who are not legally married. It’s not just an emotional issue.

    • The thing is Eddie if you are a man and woman and live together, after a few years it’s classed as a defacto relationship and each partner has certain rights. With two men or two women living together, as a gay couple, the law doesn’t recognise this, as a defacto relationship. It means in a situation where one is sick they sometimes cannot even visit in hospital. I’m not quite sure how wills work. But it is a minefield and in law they have no leg to stand on. I believe they simply want the same rights to have that union recognised within the law.

    • Glenda. They can buy property together in joint tenancy, and if one dies, the other is the sole owner. Also any will can be contested, that is not peculiar to gay people. I have no opinion one way or the other on gay marriage, it does not effect me and will make no difference to my marriage. I have the feeling that it is not necessarily the wish to marry, but is all about the choice.

    • Yeah, it’s a bit confusing as to the law, with defactos when it’s same-sex. I think they just want the right to a legal partnership the same as heterosexuals. Shouldn’t bother other people so I don’t really understand why people are so against it.

  2. At last we have seen a significant number of Politicans 1. prepared to stand by the values they claimed they adhered to when seeking election,
    2. prepared to analyze what the cumulative effect of this proposed legislation would have when considered in conjunction with existing legislation,
    3. Prepared to ascertain the views of the silent majority and not just clamor on the band wagon of the latest noisy vocal self interest group.

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  3. I listened to a Liberal Politician last night on tv, he was asked what will happen if they cross the floor,? he said that they would be tossed out of the Liberal Party. I found this appalling, while many Liberals may not agree with it, each are answerable to their electorate, who may be in favor of it. It seems me Abbott’s dictating extends even to his own party

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    • Maybe that’s a good idea. Cross the floor, kick them out of the LNP and then they become independent ministers and can vote however they want.
      That would really piss Abbott off….

    • I would like to think some of them will have the courage to do that, but they are Liberals they may not Ruth 🙂

  4. If Tony Abbott had been serious about it, there would have already been a Referendum which will NEVER HAPPEN WHILE one term TONY IS PM, Tony Abbott believes that the Australian people are not capable of making their own decisions so he has the right to do it for them.

  5. You are supposed to represent us, not “the party”. Will you ever listen?

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    • They are representing us, they are letting us make the decision via a Referendum. I’m not homophobic but I do think that the people should all have their vote on thus issue.

  6. Blind Freddy could have predicated in advance that Abbott was going to pull some stunt to stop Liberal MP’S voting with their conscience. This will come back to bite them in the next election

  7. Should be a matter for each person not party !

  8. It is so nice to see such an honest and trustworthy adult running our country. He is demonstrating all the talents that I thought he had when he won the last election. I only hope he he is PM in 15 months so he can get his reward from the electorate for his fairness, integrity and compassion.
    I can assume we will add this strategy to the rest of his captain’s picks!

  9. What can you say, this Government has a death wish, they are already dropping in the polls , we are all fed up with their rorting. They don’t have enough Political capital to pull a stunt like this and get away with it. Abbott will retire on a high pension, but many of those backbenchers will be lucky to keep their seats because of Abbott delusions to be a dictator

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